Steven Bartlett with Konstantin Kisin and Steve Keen
A blocked shipping route can become a fertilizer shortage, then a food crisis. But the speakers disagree over whether stronger states or freer markets can keep wider instability from spreading.
Kisin attributes Western economic stagnation to non-working welfare incentives and border control failures, while Keen blames Thatcherite privatization and flawed neoclassical economic theories.
Keen fears the beginning of a breakdown in civilization within roughly ten years and separately warns that an Atlantic ocean current shutdown could destabilize Europe; Kisin argues the UK must adapt locally while producing cheap, abundant energy.
Kisin warns that Iran's leverage over the Strait of Hormuz traps the US and threatens energy supplies, while Keen forecasts a global famine triggered by resulting fertilizer shortages.